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Intimidation Tactics by Friend of “Ethnic” American Advisory Council Members

Posted in GCV - Illegal Immigration, GCV - State News by Jenn on July 22, 2008

Updated, 7/23/08: Readers, if you will look through the comment section of this post, you will be able to watch, almost painfully, as Payam “I’m-writing-and-I-can’t-shut-up” Sharifi desperately tries to dig himself out of the hole he began when he decided to send me a threatening e-mail last night, all-the-while confirming nearly every detail of my original post on this topic. As Tex commented,

“God help us, another pseudo-intellectual attempting to use semantics to distract from the issues…The shell game that he describes in the filing of the complaint (first step in legal action) i.e. his being contacted by his father’s friend to file it on behalf of other parties (strange, I would ask why the subterfuge? Why wasn’t your father friend from college able to assist them? Why did they go to a third party?)”

And the money quote of the day comes from Jalal Farzaneh (I’ve been informed that I’ve been misspelling his first name – my apologies) himself, via an e-mailed response to our young friend, Payam (Note: The emphasis, in bold, and hyperlinks have been added by me.):

“Thank you Payam Jaan;

It is unfortunate that some people would lie after lies to further their cause no matter how many people they are hurting.

Since Randy Terrill is an anti immigrant representative, we are supporting his opponent. Although we knew about the following case before, this posting came right before the news about possible fraud by him in his bankruptcy case hit the web and then the newspaper.

We decided not to respond to this as this will take attention from the real news which is possible fraud.”


Updated: Last week, I wrote about the Gov’s Muslim Advisory Council Members Supporting HB1804 Author’s Opponent in 2008 Primaries. If you missed that, you might want to read it, here, now.

In response to that post, I received the following, via e-mail from a Mr. Payam Sharifi [payam.sharifi@ou.edu], who claims to be a good friend of Jalil Farzaneh, one of the Home Creations owners. As you will see, he disagrees strongly with a few points in my post, regarding the difference between “translation services” v. “accomodations for non-English speakers” as well as “legal action” v. “a federal complaint,” and who is/is not paying for said complaint. Since he has articulated his points clearly, I’ll let him speak for himself, then respond afterward (language warning) [Editing for clarity in brackets]:

“Hi, just wanted to comment on some of the outright lies…You seem to love making up. I’m Payam Sharifi, the guy who filed the complaint on behalf of the Bartlesville couple (not Amir Farzaneh, I don’t even know where you got this from, but I’d like to know). I want to clear up some discrepancies in what you believe to be fact in your blog, Miss Jenn. I’ll be straight to the point and then give you some tips.

“First of all, the Farzaneh’s had no involvement in my complaint to the Federal Department of Transportation. Jalil is, however, a good friend of my father’s from college, and he called me up before I was due to debate Randy Terrill on Fox News for advice he felt he needed to give me.

“Quoting you, ‘Green Country Values has been informed that both Home Creations Brothers have talk very openly about how they are bankrolling the cost of the legal action.’

“Oh, really? I’d like to know just where you heard this from, because

  1. “There is no legal action. This is a formal complaint to the federal government. Just to clarify things so you don’t slip up like this again, citizens have no private right of action in enforcing Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 according to a Supreme Court ruling in 2000 (or something like that), where the act itself, particularly the part that says “national origin discrimination” is elaborated in detail for all states and state agencies by Executive order 13166. I had every right, and a duty, to file this complaint, as the state’s department of safety is full of losers like yourself who, as much as you go on and on about federal law when it comes to illegal immigration, love to ignore it when it comes to providing ACCOMMODATIONS (not necessarily translation services) to new legal residents who have limited English capabilities.

  2. “So because there is no legal action, how can they be bankrolling it? They have nothing to do with it. Again, I don’t think you could have just pulled something like this out of your ass, so I’d love to to hear where you heard this from. If you did just pull it out of your ass…then you’re more pathetic than I imagined.

” [from the GCV post] ‘and championing the ‘rights of immigrants to have their drivers’ license tests translated into about a jillion (approximately) different languages at the taxpayers’ expense’

“There has been no concrete evidence (other than what you idiots love to theorize) that there has been much of any demand for language services in Oklahoma. In fact, the evidence shows the opposite. So helping a few people is hardly a burden on the taxpayer. Furthermore, translation is not a necessity. Accommodions [sic] of ANY SORT can be offered. Anything. So if you want to use some backwood approach to helping limited english proficient individuals, you can. It specifically says this in the executive order, as cost is taken into consideration. It’s a shame people like yourself don’t have any respect for federal law that you don’t like, with the biggest reason being you don’t even have the patience to read through the details.

“Come back to me with those questions I asked, specifically, where you got this false information from.

“As for everything else, you’re pathetic. Green country ‘values’? Don’t make me laugh. You idiots have no values. I love how most right wing conservatives who know Iranians love how they actually have a cohesive family unit, moreso than most other cultures, and to the point that you idiots idolize it. Too bad you losers are all talk and no show. Take it from a guy who’s actually walked the walk, raised in the US from iranian immigrants: shut the fuck up. Your values are nothing more than idol worship.

“Hoping you grow out of your idiocy,

Payam (Pie-am) Sharifi “

Payam Sharifi
5th Year Senior, University of Oklahoma
Economics/Finance/Accounting Major
918-244-0248

First, Mr. Sharifi is the first person I’ve ever seen that was so proud of being a “5th Year Senior” that he actually included it in his signature line. I couldn’t help getting a chuckle out of that.

Also, Mr. Sharifi is obviously fishing to find out who my “anonymous” source is, so let me clarify that the source is not anonymous to me. The source is someone I know and trust, but who has given me information on the condition that I would withhold his/her name from publication, and I will honor that request.

Finally, I do not appreciate the not-so-subtle attempt to intimidate me into silence, on behalf of the Farzaneh Brothers, of Home Creations. Anyone who thought this might work doesn’t know American women very well – particularly not this American woman.

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  1. FG Onions said, on July 22, 2008 at 11:48 pm

    I doubt you will “shut the fuck up”

    These guys are so full of camel shit mixed with Sodom and Gomorrah sand they think the Moon God will protect their sorry asses.

  2. Tex said, on July 23, 2008 at 7:10 am

    God help us, another pseudo-intellectual attempting to use semantics to distract from the issues.

    A complaint in civil law is the pleading of “facts” on which a claim for redress or relief is based. Bad news for the 5th year Senior but that’s what it is called. As for his legal advice before a debate, perhaps next time he should write it down along with the precedents. The shell game that he describes in the filing of the complaint (first step in legal action) i.e. his being contacted by his father’s friend to file it on behalf of other parties (strange, I would ask why the subterfuge? Why wasn’t your father friend from college able to assist them? Why did they go to a third party?)

    As far as his semantic exercise about accommodations. The driving test is given in English for several good reasons. Driving requires more than directing a vehicle from one location to another. There are traffic signs (in English), required paperwork (in English), and communication with Law Enforcement Officers (in English). What you want is not accommodation but a hole in the dike. This was tried with NAFTA drivers and failed now even they have to prove the ability to communicate in English

    Your “accommodation” is a subterfuge. Your filing of the complaint, a smoke screen to hide the real puppet masters. Your disrespect of women is evident in your language and in an earlier time you would be on a rail, accompanied by tar and feathers and on your way out of town.

    As a student of economics I would hope you realize supply and demand. The cost of “accommodating” a small number of misfits would be high. And why should others bear the cost for your inability to assimilate to the language or the culture. By poking a hole a dike you allow a few drops of water to pass through. At first it appears not to matter but over time the hole becomes a crack and then the dike fails. The hole weakens the dike. You are attempting to weaken the dike. You and your ilk will not stop until you have made the ultimate sacrifice. You notice I did not say you would succeed or win because you will not!

  3. Payam said, on July 23, 2008 at 12:26 pm

    Tex,

    Stop while you’re at it. The only person talking out of his ass with heavy use of semantics is you, and it’s really quite pathetic.

    Since you brought it up though, I’ll just give a side comment about why it’s NOT dangerous for people with limited english proficiency to drive, with 4 points:

    People with dyslexia are given special accommodations so that they can drive. You know, people who have trouble reading.
    Foreigners travel to the United States every day, being able to drive with an international drivers license without necessarily knowing english.
    All signs are international, meaning everyone knows what the most important signs like caution, stop, and yield mean. This includes my relatives.

    A complaint is still not a lawsuit, period. I’m going to say this one more time, the Farzaneh’s had nothing to do with the complaint that I filed. I’ve talked with Jalal (not Jalil) Farzaneh maybe 5 times in my lifetime. He only called me to give me some tips on my approach to DEBATING with Randy Terrill, not on the law (I didn’t really listen to him, by the way). I filed the complaint in March of 2007, long before I had ever heard of Randy Terrill, so shove your comments up your ass.

    I only sent my e-mail to Miss Jenn because her information is both incorrect and derogatory. It’s a shame that she tries to make this public, as this was only supposed to be an e-mail so that she stop making false statements. She continues to believe her comments are true despite the fact that I have completely disproved the “bankrolling” comment, because there is nothing to bankroll as there is no lawsuit.

    Oh, and one last thing Miss Jenn: Notice how many majors I have? I don’t think there’s anything to be ashamed of for going into my 5th year, where I will actually be graduating in December. Anyway, I didn’t deliberately put that into the e-mail, it’s included, as that’s my signature in every e-mail I send.

  4. Payam said, on July 23, 2008 at 12:29 pm

    Oops, I forgot to include the 4th point: Being able to read is different than being able to read at an 8th grade reading level, you know, the level required to take the written drivers test.

  5. Jenn said, on July 23, 2008 at 1:19 pm

    Sigh. Someone really needs to stop talking here, and it isn’t Tex. You’re digging yourself a deeper and deeper hole, Payam, Joon. You seem like a very bright young man, who, unfortunately, has been taken advantage of by people who do not have your best interest at heart.

    And no, there is nothing wrong with taking five or even more years to get a four-year degree. It is commendable that you have the discipline and tenacity to hang in there and get your education. The funny part is that “5th Year Senior” is included in your signature line, where people usually put their degree title, or something else that they’re especially proud of, or some type of motto or quote.

  6. Payam said, on July 23, 2008 at 1:30 pm

    Do you actually believe the Farzaneh’s told me to send the e-mail that I sent to you? I have nothing to do with them, and they have nothing to do with the complaint to the federal government…there’s nothing wrong with setting the facts straight. As to the last bit of commentary I sent to you in that e-mail, it’s something I feel is long overdue with most right wing conservatives, so don’t think it’s message personally for you only.

    Since I know you still won’t believe me, I personally contacted Jalal through e-mail telling him about your blog posting(his e-mail is available on his Home Creations website). Here is what I told him and then his response that I received today:

    Subject: Salam Agha Farzaneh, I just wanted to share something that was in the Blogs

    It’s a story that is mainly about you guys.

    http://greencountryvalues.wordpress.com/2008/07/14/govs-muslim-advisory-council-members-supporting-hb1804-authors-opponent-in-2008/#more-198

    The only reason I stumbled on it was because I was looking for recent news regarding English Only. For some reason that I can’t quite understand, they are saying that you guys were involved in the complaint that I filed. I already sent them an e-mail clarifying their erroneous information, but I just wanted to let you know it was there. Would you happen to know why it is that they think you guys were involved in my incident?

    -Payam

    Here was the part of his response:

    “Thank you Payam Jaan;

    It is unfortunate that some people would lie after lies to further their cause no matter how many people they are hurting.

    Since Randy Terrill is an anti immigrant representative, we are supporting his opponent. Although we knew about the following case before, this posting came right before the news about possible fraud by him in his bankruptcy case hit the web and then the newspaper.

    We decided not to respond to this as this will take attention from the real news which is possible fraud.”

    There, happy?

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  8. Payam said, on July 23, 2008 at 5:15 pm

    Lol, you really are a complete fool. Many people oppose Randy Terrill because of his immigration position. So what? You aren’t really proving anything. The Chamber of Commerce also opposes him for the same reason. Again, SO WHAT? Everyone has their own opinion, so I find it really quite perplexing that you find this in and of itself a story worth commenting on. I guess that’s what most people who don’t have lives do, so I guess I can try and comprehend things on your level.

  9. Jenn said, on July 23, 2008 at 5:23 pm

    Well, Payam…technically, you’re the one who’s spent all day commenting on this story.

  10. Payam said, on July 23, 2008 at 5:27 pm

    Yeah, because commenting at 12:30, 1:30, and then at 5:40=all day.

    Meanwhile you make something that was supposed to be private(other than the last part of the e-mail, which is fair game) public. Shows the lack of integrity on your part…and then you keep updating the story using comments that don’t prove anything. But hey, the few readers you have are probably as dimwitted as you to read your blog ever day, so fooling them probably won’t ever be a problem.

  11. Jenn said, on July 23, 2008 at 5:33 pm

    Good grief. I guess I have a stalker.

    Please let me assure everyone that Mr. Payam Sharifi and I have never, I repeat, never had, and never will have a “private” conversation. And if something thinks he can cuss me out via the public e-mail address listed on my blog with some expectation that his spewing will be somehow valued as “confidential” he is sadly mistaken.

  12. Payam said, on July 23, 2008 at 5:37 pm

    I think you should start taking the last bit of advice that I gave you, to STFU, to heart.

  13. Jenn said, on July 23, 2008 at 5:44 pm

    As Paul Reiser used to say, “Not gonna happen, my friend…not gonna to happen.”

  14. goodwyne said, on July 23, 2008 at 6:07 pm

    Exactly right Jenn! Apparently Payam’s opinion is worth so much more than anyone else’s since he defends his right to it but denigrates you for yours. Everything he’s said has degenerated into name calling, the last refuge of those with no real argument. But then that’s pretty much what they teach in backward countries like Iran. That and complete disrespect to women. It’s easy to call someone a fool in email or a blog comment but I doubt Payam would have the stones to do it in person, at least not without his face covered and a handful of supports standing beside him.

    The fact is, all across this country we are seeing the same thing going on. Whether you call it accommodation or something else, the bottom line is the taxpayers are being asked or forced to pay so that people who should be able to read and understand English don’t have to do so. That is wrong, plain and simple. If you can’t read English you shouldn’t have an American driver’s license.

    Payam’s arguments about foreign driver’s simply aren’t relevant. There is a huge difference between a a visitor to this country and someone who actually lives here. If you want live in this society you should be willing to assimilate and that includes learning the language. If that’s too much trouble perhaps you should consider going back to your country of origin where you will have no difficulty communicating.

    I strongly suspect Payam would agree with that sentiment if we were talking about Iran or any other largely Muslim country. But since this is America he thinks the rules should be different and non-English speakers should be accommodated. That’s just crap and Payam knows it!

  15. goodwyne said, on July 23, 2008 at 6:12 pm

    12:30, 1:30, 5:27, 5:37, 5:40, yeah, he’s a stalker. Get a life Payam. This is her blog, you’d expect her to stick with it. You’re the one who can’t let it go.

  16. Payam said, on July 23, 2008 at 6:53 pm

    Responding to your first post, no, I don’t know it. Your entire piece is full of fallacies, but it’s not really worth discussing it here. If you do want to discuss it, give the place and I’ll be glad to prove you wrong on everything.

    One thing is bothering me though: It’s the arab world that totally and completely disrespects women, not iran. Probably like you, nothing pisses me off more than some goddamn arabs treating women as property. The worst they do in Iran is forcing them to [i]barely[/i] cover their heads with a headcover(not by the husbands but the government). Abuse and rape is criminal, unlike in Saudi Arabia or pakistan.

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  18. maggiesnotebook said, on July 25, 2008 at 8:18 pm

    Payam’s comment about the admirable lives of Iranian families in the U.S, indicating that “most” Conservatives “love” their cohesiveness. Who are “most?” I have some experience with this, and I definitely qualify as Conservative. The cohesiveness, of which he speaks can be an arrogance that disdains outsiders.

    Is this man on scholarship at OU? Does he take flight lessons there in Norman?

    This is one rude man.

    Maggie
    Maggie’s Notebook

  19. Payam said, on July 26, 2008 at 10:07 pm

    Ask any conservative that knows and has known a conservative family for quite a while.

    As for the last line in your comment, that states “The cohesiveness, of which he speaks can be an arrogance that disdains outsiders.” I’m not exactly sure what you’re implying by this. but whatever you seem to be thinking, you’re absolutely wrong. The cohesiveness I obviously am speaking about is the family values you wish you had.

    No, I don’t take flight lessons, but I do take tax lessons, so I can tax the fuck out of you once I start to work for the IRS. But wait, as much as you’ll boast about liberals taking away all your money, you’re most likely never going to be in the top 1% that you wish you were in. So it’ll just be a lot of mindless ranting by a loser with modest to low income.

    Nice job Maggie.

    Goodbye loser,

    Payam Sharifi

  20. Jenn said, on July 26, 2008 at 10:22 pm

    Interesting. Payam is making threats to use any position he might be applying for with the IRS to gain retribution against people who disagree with him politically. Now THAT’S something that should be of interest to anyone doing a background check during the hiring and firing process.

    Just keep talking, and digging, Payam.

    These “right-wing conservatives” you seem to hate so much aren’t turning out to be nearly as much of a problem for you as you are becoming a problem for yourself.

  21. Payam said, on July 26, 2008 at 10:44 pm

    Actually I have no plans to work for the IRS, Miss Jenn, I was only making fun of the fact that she’s a low class loser. Even if I did, there’s no way I could tax someone more than the legal amount, so your comments have no validity. I could increase fees if she was late on her payments, but to think that I would waste my time keeping track of people who’s ideology I dislike? For a lazy guy like me, that’s a little excessive.

  22. Payam said, on July 26, 2008 at 10:47 pm

    Also, Miss Jenn, know this: I never try to hide who I am. If someone decides not to hire me based on comments I make on right wing blogs/websites it really wouldn’t bother me. In fact, that would only strengthen my resolve, knowing that I wouldn’t be working for a right wing sympathizer.


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